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[Discussion+Strategy+Info] The Grudge of Losing - Ultimate Stage
(03-10-2018, 05:24 PM)Sayokyoku Wrote:
(03-10-2018, 03:39 PM)Fauxy Wrote:
(03-10-2018, 02:36 PM)Max_LKC Wrote:
(03-10-2018, 05:13 AM)Fauxy Wrote: I hate this stagggggggeeeeeee.

Finally cleared with Maya after so many attempts trying to get Hephaestus and Phanes to work. If you don't have a perfect set of cards for this (PR Dipankara and PR Uriel at All Max, ideally also Ghroth), then it's just painfully difficult. Best farm team I've seen is Amaterasu, she can Poppy juggle the whole way through. I don't have even one Poppy though, so fml.

You only need PR dipankara at ame IV, skill lvl is debatable (mine's 14/15). PR Uriel I do not have it all maxed, skill lvl 10 and no ame done. The only stage you really need to be careful is shuten doji heart shield, as long as you break pass that everything is pretty much standard textbook style. Use craft only at the end.

With Heph the problem is damage, I did not do enough damage with non PR Uriel (which is all I have and I'm out of black keys for mats) to even scratch the baby. With Phanes on the other hand, the problem is recovery, I cannot stall long enough on the dark doll stage to get my Dipa up when he's at CD10. There's probably some golden run scenario where I'll be able to pass with either as is, but I wanted to farm this SM and it looks like that's not an option at all for me.

That's weird, because I had no problems without any of the cards you listed. Do you have Rococo? CD8 at max level would be a better alternative than your RD for now, especially since she guarantees you have enough Hearts against Shutendouji.

Anyway, currently farming with Sakura + PR Jinnie / Cactus / Paperwhite / PR Magrence + Sakura and a CD-delay DC. Super safe and braindead.

No Rococo, No Sakura, No Ghroth, No Jinnie. Sigh. I can get pretty far with Rose but once I hit the sticky trail it's over. It's just my bad luck that an SM would come up that I cannot deal with just because of what I prioritized training.

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|Skill Training Guide For Newbies|
Water Achievement:  Yidhra-Atlantis

PR Yidhra + Zhang Liao + Odous + Giemsa + PR Raphael + Atlantis
DC converts majority rune to hearts 
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R1: Stall
R2: Stall. Once all actives are up, store water runes and use Atlantis + DC for heart conversion
R3: Dissolve hearts
R4: Odous + Giemsa (1) + Giemsa (2) + Raphael (1)
R5: Yidhra + Zhang Liao + Atlantis
R6: Stall until all actives and DC are up. Odous + Giemsa (1) + Giemsa (2) + Raphael (1)
R6b: Yidha + Zhang Liao + Atlantis + DC

I found that Zhang Liao is better than alternatives like Florice or Pupuro since he converts as well as self-attack boosts in the same round.

Fire Achievement and L/A God: VR Heph (Super cheapo no rare team member version)

VR Heph + Bedivere + Shakuro + Cao Guojiu + K' + VR Heph
DC converts majority rune to hearts

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R1-R2: Stall with few combos until Shakuro comes up. Then use her and do one 3-rune combo until all actives are up. Use Heph and Bedivere and DC for heart conversion. 
R3: Dissolve converted hearts
R4: Spin 
R5: Take the first two turns to max Heph's mutliplier, then Cao Guojiu + K' and fill the puzzle shield with red
R6: Spin
R6b: Spin, DC if you have it. 

Pretty much everything but Shakuro can be replaced here. My first clear was with VR Yan instead of Bedivere and Zhurong instead of K. Zhurong is hard to charge though with the first two rounds being frantic 1-combo stalling, so I switched her for K'. VR Yan can be used for the heart stage as well, but with heart conversion DC, only the damage boost is necessary. Obviously you can go ahead and replace K with Kyo or whatever you'd like.
Agreed that Cao Guojiu is MVP for fire team clears since it brings the 10m def to 2m, nixes attribute disadvantage, and allows you to use fire runes for the shield. Next best thing to PR Uriel for this part of the stage.

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Allies (All/Dbl Max): Darkness, Aqua, Kurama
Other Frequently Used Leaders (All/Dbl Max): Lucy, Mellow, VR Greek (FELDW), Hiei, Azathoth, Daoloth, PR Haza, etc.
Cleared with the standard heph uriel kyo shakuro randang heph. I feel shakuro and kyo are required for their consistent buff even after reset. I was able to power through with kyo plus dc. Its safe but imo not a farming team but better than phanes.

Im not trying for water because its just too dam hard opposite element. Id try posi if their was an eqivalent water shakuro. Best we have is shuta and pray. The craft sux.


...I mean, I guess this works too? Twelve minutes a run doesn't seem too bad for a grind team, lol. XD
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Old stage so modern stuff should be fine

2* Clear (Fire Team, God Leader and Ally) with Dual VR Tyr + Perseus, PR Uriel, Ghroth, filler fire demon

1, 2) Stall CD. Get everything ready on stage 2 by dissolving dark runes if needed. Save water and earth runes.
3) Perseus
4) Tyr convert
5) Make sure you have water runes for the puzzle shield (spend a turn prepping if needed) then Uriel
6a) Spin
6b) Ghroth

1* Clear (Water Team) with Dual Yusuke + AR Yuki-Onna, Cygnus Hyoga, PR Jinnie, water booster/enchantress

1, 2) Stall CD. Get everything ready on stage 2 by dissolving dark runes if needed. Save fire runes
3) Yuki-Onna
4) Yusuke skill 1
5) Yusuke skill 1 if available, otherwise switch and use EP skill 1. Also make sure to switch Cygnus and Yusuke as well as using Jinnie to defense break and turning on any other enchantress effects you have available
6a) Yusuke EP skill 2 if available, EP skill 1 if not
6b) Cygnus EP skill 2 unless you used Yusuke EP skill 2 on the previous turn

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All Max + VR: WFLD Greek, FELD Babylon, All Norse, Lucy, Beelzebub, Pontos, Aether, Erebus, Yog-Sothoth, Chessia, Satan, Guan Yu, TSZ, Izanagi, Hideyoshi
2* Achievement (Leader/Ally God, All Water)
SR Freyr + Hyoga/Lucy*/AR Yuki-Onna/PR Cassandra* + SR Freyr + Aggressive Pique Seal (or any damage-boosting craft):

*Lucy and/or Cassandra can be replaced by Water Demons that boost Attack like PR Douman or Shire, or a non-Demon Water multi-turn booster like Li Ji

1) Spin and stall a bit.
2) Spin and stall a bit. Make sure Yuki-Onna's skill is ready by the time you kill the enemy. Conserve as many Fire and Heart runes as possible.
3) Use Yuki-Onna's skill and dissolve at least 10 Heart runes.
4) Use Freyr's 1st skill and spin.
5) Activate Lucy's, Cassandra's and Hyoga's 1st skill. Switch Hyoga and solve puzzle shield.
6A) Use Hyoga's 1st EP skill and spin.
6B) Use Yuki-Onna's skill if able, followed by Hyoga's 1st EP skill. Spin and burst with DC if needed.

1* Achievement (All Fire)
PR The Queen of Hearts - Sun Hsiao Mei*/PR Medea*/PR Uriel/Bedivere - PR The Queen of Hearts + Aggressive Pique Seal (or any delay craft for insurance):

*Sun Hsiao Mei can be replaced by PR Santa. Time tunnel is not that essential if you are adept at solving puzzle shields.
*VR Refinement Fire Yan will probably be a better replacement for Medea here since without the defense drop, you don't have to deactivate her skill at 6A.

1) Spin.
2) Spin and stack Dark runes. Activate Bedivere's skill as soon as ready.
3) Spin.
4) Spin carefully. May use Queen of Heart's skill to simplify board. After being hit by the enemy, you can still go through 1 Burned rune before dying. Make use of it. Be careful of Burned runes and do diagonal rune movements if needed. Conserve Water runes if possible.
5) Activate Uriel's and Medea's skills. Use Sun Hsiao Mei's skill and solve puzzle rune.
6A) Deactivate Medea's skill. Spin and stall back Medea's skill if possible.
6B) Activate Medea's and Queen of Hearts skills. Spin and burst with DC.

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